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Mesg #90877 "Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
Author KatsInCommand     Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM
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Date Fri May-18-12 05:06 PM
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Neil Gaiman gave quite the graduation speech.

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2012/05/trust-me-im-doctor-honorary-of-fine.html

So what did you like?

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Mesg #90878 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
Author RavenCorbie     Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM
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I loved the whole thing. Thanks for sharing!

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Mesg #90879 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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Glad to share.

His whole "make good art" doesn't look as good on the computer screen as it does with his very lovely accent.

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Mesg #90880 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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Agreed .

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Mesg #90881 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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Thanks for sharing. I liked the part about how you only need two out of three qualities to keep a job. Very true!

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Mesg #90892 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
Author Erin_M_H     Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
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Date Tue May-22-12 03:17 PM
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I liked "If you don't know it's impossible, it's easier to do."

Thanks for posting the link.

-- Erin

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that's a good one!

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Mesg #90894 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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Hmm I missed that part? I remember when he said he lied to get his jobs...

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Mesg #90895 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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I doubt you missed it. It was the part where he was talking about freelancing and how you need to have good work, to be on time, and to be pleasant to work with . . . but really just two of those are often enough. He went into pretty good detail about it, I thought, so I can't imagine you missing it.

That was one of my favorite parts, too!

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Date Wed May-23-12 06:35 AM
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ah yes, now I recall.

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Mesg #90911 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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Sat May-26-12 02:54 AMby Dreamerscove

I LOVED this speech. It had so many good parts in it. All with a touch of humor to it.

"Cat explodes? Make good art..."

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I've just (well a few hours ago) listened this. I shall hope to listen to it again tomorrow.

I wonder how many have listened to this more than once.

But that first listen, even though there were other things I noted, and I have to go back to remember most of them, left me wondering what he meant by 'good art'. I previously had come to the conclusion that art was subjective, so that good art could mean many things to many people.

Does anyone set out to deliberately make 'bad art'? Does he perhaps mean do the best you can; or perhaps never stop learning and trying to improve, which he said was a technique he used? (It's amazing how much I'm recalling as I write this.)

One more comment is that he is a good speaker and he doesn't seem to waste many words.

Weird Jim

"Good reading is the only test of good writing"
Robertson Davies. A voice from the attic 1960

  

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Mesg #90921 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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Bad art --

* This is selling well right now, so I'll just knock one out this month.
* My fans will pay for anything I do, so I don't have to work at this any more.
* I'm afraid if I try anything new, it won't be well received, so I'll just do more of the same.

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Mesg #90923 "RE: Graduation Speech by Neil Gaiman"
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To me, bad art would be art you just don't care about, whatever the reason. Erin's list covered a lot of them, but there's also:

I'm not good at art anyway, so I'm not going to try this great idea I have because I'll screw it up.

Or

I don't want to work at this because I'm lazy; no one will notice anyway.

I think a lot of "bad art" comes from fear, and letting that fear take you away from what you want to do. Choosing the easy path, not the difficult, interesting one.

And while I agree that no one sets out to "make bad art", a lot of people settle for making bad art.

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