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91556, Ya go looking...
Posted by Weird Jim, Sat Sep-15-12 12:30 PM
...and ya never know whose name will turn up.

I'm still pursuing my search of trying to find out how strong leaders come about. They are few and far between, and at times the most unlikely people. Strong leaders will include those who lead gangs etc. What makes people follow?

After finding that leaders are often not nice people, I got to wondering if real leaders of this kind translate well into fictional leaders. Will readers accept a leader who has some unpleasant traits?

During my search I found a list of traits and went to the site, being a bit lazy and not wanting to do all that work of searching and creating a list of traits for myself.

And look who this poster's favourite instructor is.

http://tinyurl.com/8bvoghe

Weird Jim

"Good reading is the only test of good writing"
Robertson Davies. A voice from the attic 1960
91559, RE: Ya go looking...
Posted by SamR, Sat Sep-15-12 02:49 PM
Readers most definitely willing accept a leader who has some unpleasant traits. Just look at Sherlock Holmes or any anti-hero.

As far as what makes a good leader in fiction, I think it depends on how well the reader identifies with the character and how the supporting characters react to him/her. If they look to him as a leader, regardless of his qualities, so will the reader.
91562, RE: Ya go looking...
Posted by Weird Jim, Sat Sep-15-12 05:41 PM
I'm not sure I see Sherlock Holmes as a leader, and while he was a trifle obnoxious at times this didn't seem to affect others except criminal types. When I have a bit more energy I'll have to see if I can do a better job of explanation.

Weird Jim

"Good reading is the only test of good writing"
Robertson Davies. A voice from the attic 1960
91610, RE: Ya go looking...
Posted by MarFisk, Thu Sep-20-12 12:33 AM
Some level of unpleasant is likely. A good, strong leader is one who has to give some effort into collecting and keeping followers. Even natural leaders do, it's just that it comes naturally and so they're not so conscious of it until faced with someone who balks at the cues that have worked all along.

There's a level of arrogance, even when deserved, in a leader. They have to have enough inborn confidence to attract followers, something that often translates as a touch of superiority...or mothering depending on the context.
91619, RE: Ya go looking...
Posted by Silvara, Mon Sep-24-12 11:32 AM
This make me think of the book I have been reading called "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout. One of the things she wrote about were how many sociopaths became leaders in order to exercise their desires to control and manipulate large numbers of people. The whole time I have been reading this book, I have been thinking that there has to be story in there somewhere.